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Post by arboriscitri78 on Nov 4, 2015 5:19:03 GMT
The First Vatican Council declared that Therefore, "if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema." Read like a declaration, it reads like "it is by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; [and] that the Roman pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy."
It seems that Vatican 1 defined that Peter, the first pope, will have perpetual successors, meaning that there will always be a succession of Popes without any vacancies in between(besides the obvious case of interregnums) until the end of the world. It would seem to me that this very declaration alone is sufficient to destroy the sedevacantist theory and prove it as absolutely false. However, I don't hear this arguement used very often when sedevacantism is being refuted. Why is this? Is it not a valid statement? Am I missing something here?
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Post by harystolho on Nov 5, 2015 15:45:19 GMT
I don`t know, anyway there are wrong, but I really liked this argument, thank you
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Post by Ryan on Apr 11, 2017 17:17:29 GMT
WhaT is the problem with sedevacantist? It's my understanding they just think we are in an interregnum period bc these last popes since Vat2 have bwwn so herectical and non Catholic that it is impossible for them to be true popes. Or is it that they are not operating with proper authority? So their Sacraments may be valid but illicit? I have attended a sedevacante church and they are practicing Catholicism as it was 100 years ago. Why is it wrong if I attend mass there? My only options are a sedevacantes church (part of www.cmri.org congregation), SSPX churches, or ones officially operating under rome but mainly do the new mass, latin mass is a once a week thing, and they preach the vat 2 mass every day. There is literally not one church in the entire province of Ontario in Canada that is offically under Rome and only practices traditional Catholicism. There are several that just do latin mass as an after thought. Which should I be attending? Church that preaches norvus ordoe 95 % of the week and all of vat 2 teachings, a sedevacante church that practices traditional Catholicism but may not have the authority, or a SSPX church? Or should I just stay home and read my missal. These are my only options and I am heart broken. All I want to do is please God and recieve the true sacraments. Also is confession valid from any othese options? Any advice or insight is appreciated greatly.
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