Post by dontlikequitters on Mar 26, 2018 19:55:04 GMT
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"In Matthew’s Gospel the Lord said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. What did he mean by this and is it possible for Satan or his diabolical heresies to prevail in the Church?(Matthew 16:18) But what is the answer then? If we have to rule out as a possibility that the institution currently headed by Francis is the Catholic Church, what is left? The answer to this question is found in what scripture has to say about what will happen with regard to the Papacy in the la… "
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Shame on you people,
you cannot handle a little critical dialog! your forum needs to check its own censorship policy. you( Catholic Answers) claim to be conservative and are nothing more than self appointed apologists, who in truth are just pseudo-traditionalists.
If people don’t agree with your agenda, they are shut down! I am so tired of being marginalized by you pseudo-catholic sectarians. When are you going to wake up and see the truth???
I don't know how everyone else on this site feels, but I am tired of this divisive nonsense. I am so done. It seems as though free thought is not allowed on some sites. I was just trying to open some eyes, and minds, to the diabolical evil that has entered the Church since Vatican II, and I am shut down--censored for having the audacity to question the agenda of the new post-councilor sect, religion or whatever you call the cult that has taken over the Catholic Church. So, I will post here what are my thoughts from the previously censored article:
"Thou hast left thy first love."
Our Lord said this in the 2nd chapter of the Apocalypse when directing a letter to be written to the church at Ephesus. St. John was writing this letter, at our Lord’s instruction, to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamus, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodica. Our Lord explains the previous vision given to John as “The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches. And the seven candlesticks are the seven churches.”(Rev. 1:20, Douay-Theme)
If we look at this definition as a guide to interpretation of a later verse:
"But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. "(Rev. 2:4-5, ESV)
If the candlesticks represent churches, then this verse is speaking of Christ moving the Church from its place. Most would rebut this by calling on the Gospel verse that “the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church.”(Matt. 16:18) But, I see a conditional promise in Revelation 2, where if the Church does not repent, then God has every right to come and remove his Church from its place.
In Matthew's Gospel the Lord said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. What did he mean by this and is it possible for Satan or his diabolical heresies to prevail in the Church?(Matthew 16:18) But what is the answer then? If we have to rule out as a possibility that the institution currently headed by Francis is the Catholic Church, what is left? The answer to this question is found in what scripture has to say about what will happen with regard to the Papacy in the latter days. Specifically, the passage in Scripture appears in St. Paul’s Second Letter to the Thessalonians:
"Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, and in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity." (2 Thessalonians 2:3-11)
So, the current crisis in the Catholic church can be seen here in this verse. This means the Church is under God’s judgement. Most Catholics take the promise in Matthew 16 in isolation to all other scripture. We must always remember to interpret scripture in light of Scripture as a whole. They would say this makes God into a liar and God would never judge his One Holy Church, God’s instrument for salvation.
In history God has judged Israel more than once through war, exile, deportation and the great diaspora, in which until recently Israel had no land or nation. Do we expect the Church to escape God’s judgement if Israel did not? “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him."(Acts10:34-35)
The Church has not feared God by establishing “man” as a god in this new council: “Believers and non-believers are practically agreed that man is the center on which all things on earth focus-the apex of nature.”(Vatican II, Gaudium et Spec, 12) This is an affront to God! Man a mere creature thinking he is the focus.
The Church has not done what is right to God. By establishing innerfaith dialogue with false religions, and relinquishing their previous attempts to proselytize those of other faiths. This “all roads lead to God” mentality relies on a credulity that begs the question, why did Christ have to suffer and be sacrificed?
"In Matthew’s Gospel the Lord said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. What did he mean by this and is it possible for Satan or his diabolical heresies to prevail in the Church?(Matthew 16:18) But what is the answer then? If we have to rule out as a possibility that the institution currently headed by Francis is the Catholic Church, what is left? The answer to this question is found in what scripture has to say about what will happen with regard to the Papacy in the la… "
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Shame on you people,
you cannot handle a little critical dialog! your forum needs to check its own censorship policy. you( Catholic Answers) claim to be conservative and are nothing more than self appointed apologists, who in truth are just pseudo-traditionalists.
If people don’t agree with your agenda, they are shut down! I am so tired of being marginalized by you pseudo-catholic sectarians. When are you going to wake up and see the truth???
I don't know how everyone else on this site feels, but I am tired of this divisive nonsense. I am so done. It seems as though free thought is not allowed on some sites. I was just trying to open some eyes, and minds, to the diabolical evil that has entered the Church since Vatican II, and I am shut down--censored for having the audacity to question the agenda of the new post-councilor sect, religion or whatever you call the cult that has taken over the Catholic Church. So, I will post here what are my thoughts from the previously censored article:
"Thou hast left thy first love."
Our Lord said this in the 2nd chapter of the Apocalypse when directing a letter to be written to the church at Ephesus. St. John was writing this letter, at our Lord’s instruction, to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamus, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodica. Our Lord explains the previous vision given to John as “The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches. And the seven candlesticks are the seven churches.”(Rev. 1:20, Douay-Theme)
If we look at this definition as a guide to interpretation of a later verse:
"But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent. "(Rev. 2:4-5, ESV)
If the candlesticks represent churches, then this verse is speaking of Christ moving the Church from its place. Most would rebut this by calling on the Gospel verse that “the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church.”(Matt. 16:18) But, I see a conditional promise in Revelation 2, where if the Church does not repent, then God has every right to come and remove his Church from its place.
In Matthew's Gospel the Lord said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. What did he mean by this and is it possible for Satan or his diabolical heresies to prevail in the Church?(Matthew 16:18) But what is the answer then? If we have to rule out as a possibility that the institution currently headed by Francis is the Catholic Church, what is left? The answer to this question is found in what scripture has to say about what will happen with regard to the Papacy in the latter days. Specifically, the passage in Scripture appears in St. Paul’s Second Letter to the Thessalonians:
"Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, and in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity." (2 Thessalonians 2:3-11)
So, the current crisis in the Catholic church can be seen here in this verse. This means the Church is under God’s judgement. Most Catholics take the promise in Matthew 16 in isolation to all other scripture. We must always remember to interpret scripture in light of Scripture as a whole. They would say this makes God into a liar and God would never judge his One Holy Church, God’s instrument for salvation.
In history God has judged Israel more than once through war, exile, deportation and the great diaspora, in which until recently Israel had no land or nation. Do we expect the Church to escape God’s judgement if Israel did not? “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him."(Acts10:34-35)
The Church has not feared God by establishing “man” as a god in this new council: “Believers and non-believers are practically agreed that man is the center on which all things on earth focus-the apex of nature.”(Vatican II, Gaudium et Spec, 12) This is an affront to God! Man a mere creature thinking he is the focus.
The Church has not done what is right to God. By establishing innerfaith dialogue with false religions, and relinquishing their previous attempts to proselytize those of other faiths. This “all roads lead to God” mentality relies on a credulity that begs the question, why did Christ have to suffer and be sacrificed?